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Post by smooth on Jan 12, 2006 14:34:23 GMT -5
Yeah, I know about him wanting to do solo work and remain within the group. But I read that JMI was given to Eddie to make him happy, and that it was written years back, but never touched on. And that the Tempts cut it in 1971, because Eddie was complaining. Now I don't believe everything I read or hear, I just take it as a mental note.
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Post by Aba21 on Jan 12, 2006 14:39:57 GMT -5
Yeah, I know about him wanting to do solo work and remain within the group. But I read that JMI was given to Eddie to make him happy, and that it was written years back, but never touched on. And that the Tempts cut it in 1971, because Eddie was complaining. Now I don't believe everything I read or hear, I just take it as a mental note. It wasn't just Eddie who wanted to sing a ballad. That's why it was given to the group. IF they had written a ballad for Dennis or Paul it would have been fine. They(The group) wanted a ballad. That just happened to be the one they all ready had.
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Post by smooth on Jan 12, 2006 14:51:31 GMT -5
Let me get this straight, so all of the Tempts were complaining about the stuff that Eddie was complaining about, in regards to the weird sounds and funny noises, and that whole psychedelic thing.
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Post by soulfulchild on Jan 12, 2006 18:04:38 GMT -5
I think Eddie left for a few reasons. The first one had to do with him singing lead. When Ruffin joined, Eddie wasn't given as many leads as Ruffin, even though he did sing a good amount of hits, he probably felt that he should have sang more. I can't blame Eddie for feeling that way if he in fact did. I blame Norman Whitfield because he wanted David to do damn near all the leads. When Smokey was writing for them he shared the leads and not just on the hits, but for the songs that weren't even released as hits. Then when Dennis entered the picture, the Tempts went away from those love songs mainly, and went social and psychedelic. ANd Eddie has said himself that he hated those "weird noises" and crazy sounds. I can't blame him for wanting to sing love songs. With his voice, it's better suited for those love songs. But his voice was still vital even when the Tempts went away from their love songs. I know they still sang a few love songs like "I'm Gonna Make You Love Me" and " I Can't Get Next To You" and the incredible " Just My Imagination". They probably should have sang more, during that time period. Just by listening to some groups who came after the TEmpts whose lead singer song in a high tenor, makes me think that Eddie should've had a few more leads. But at the same time he would've gotten the leads had he stayed. As a matter of fact, "Smiling Faces Sometimes" would've been The Tempts next release had he stayed. Eddie should've stayed, so he could've gotten the amount of leads that he felt he deserved. He also could've left because the way Paul was being treated. I don't know if what happened in the movie was true about the way Otis was acting like it was nothing to replace Paul, but I did read that Eddie didn't like the way that Paul was being treated by Otis. If anyone knows the story if Paul was being treated like that, inform me on the details, please. I could see Eddie's frustration coming from not getting enough leads, but not enough to get him to quit the Temptations like that. You have to think about it, the temptations had a great deal of success and with that comes maturity and sucking some things in and just going along with it. So it had to be something more. From the information I have gathered, Paul also was not very happy with David singing an enormous amount of leads. I think that it wasn't David fault, but management within itself, this is why a lot of groups split anyway because of discrepancies within the group that develop because of situations like the such. There should have been equally split songs for the groups members, or equal amount of songs each member can sing. I thought that was good example of brothers sticking by their side, when Eddie refused to perform because Paul was not there, but being realistic Paul was in no shape in doing so.
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Post by smooth on Jan 12, 2006 18:48:24 GMT -5
Yeah, you're right, but remember not singing enough leads over a good amount of time will bother somebody who wants to sing leads, and then you add to that he wanted to record solo records while still with The Tempts and he was told no,then you add to that he wanted to sing more love songs, that'll definitely push somebody to want to quit. When a singer walks off the stage after a performance and a performance is not even over, you know that singer's pissed off. I have heard people say that he just wanted to move on, but I can't see that as being the only reason, why would you walk off the stage, you must be "angry" about something. Even if you want to go your own way you would do it in a more professional manner, you just wouldn't walk off the stage and leave your other group members behind if you weren't pissed off about something. Eddie was tight about something, it had to be more then just him wanting to move on and nothing else.
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Post by Aba21 on Jan 13, 2006 12:40:33 GMT -5
He wanted to sing solo and still be in the group.That was the real issue. Since they weren't singing ballads...he would sing his own on his own records.......they had a deal to let him do that but by the time it was hammered out.......it was too late........ Eddie decided to leave.
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Post by smooth on Jan 13, 2006 15:18:52 GMT -5
I hear you.
Now somebody made a comment about my reply sounding like a movie review, I didn't get that from the movie, I read that somewhere.
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Post by Aba21 on Jan 13, 2006 15:48:53 GMT -5
Yeah, you're right, but remember not singing enough leads over a good amount of time will bother somebody who wants to sing leads, and then you add to that he wanted to record solo records while still with The Tempts and he was told no,then you add to that he wanted to sing more love songs, that'll definitely push somebody to want to quit. When a singer walks off the stage after a performance and a performance is not even over, you know that singer's pissed off. I have heard people say that he just wanted to move on, but I can't see that as being the only reason, why would you walk off the stage, you must be "angry" about something. Even if you want to go your own way you would do it in a more professional manner, you just wouldn't walk off the stage and leave your other group members behind if you weren't pissed off about something. Eddie was tight about something, it had to be more then just him wanting to move on and nothing else. Eddie was angry aobut the direction the group was going in, the business of the group.....not saying that Otis wasn't doing his job but that Otis didn't stand up for the group in certain business situations with Berry Gordy and Eddie was angry about that as well. So it was an acummulative effect that led to his leaving including what was going on with Paul.
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Post by crella on Jan 16, 2006 2:16:40 GMT -5
Yeah Paul's health was bad, but guess what, the tempts weren't waiting for Paul, they just continued. They still had to perform without him. Example , they were performing I Can't Get Next To You, with just Dennis,Otis,Melvin, and Eddie. ANd Paul was in the hospital, just look at Eddie's face, he was real troubled about something. I wonder what it was. Smooth, I was referring to what you wrote in your reply. This sounds like the movie to me. It also looks like the movie, go to your DVD and start it where Paul is admitted to the hospital. No harm meant, maybe the writers and directors read the same article.
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Post by smooth on Jan 16, 2006 11:04:05 GMT -5
I hear you, but maybe they didn't read the same article. That performance that I mentioned is when it was just 4 of them on stage,I'm not referring to the movie when Paul was on stage drunk. Are you 100% sure that Eddie's leaving had nothing to do with Paul?
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Post by smooth on Jan 16, 2006 11:04:50 GMT -5
ABa21, if you don't mind me asking, what was going with Paul?
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Post by misstara on Jan 16, 2006 11:05:11 GMT -5
The one where Otis does Pauls' part on that song?
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Post by smooth on Jan 16, 2006 11:06:37 GMT -5
Yeah that one.
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Post by misstara on Jan 16, 2006 11:07:48 GMT -5
I forget why he wasn't there. Somebody told me a long time ago. K2, do you remember? It didn't seem like it was health reasons?
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Post by kalisa2 on Jan 16, 2006 11:23:55 GMT -5
I forget why he wasn't there. Somebody told me a long time ago. K2, do you remember? It didn't seem like it was health reasons? No, I never did know why Paul wasn't on that particular show. I do know that MY impression was that Eddie didn't look as happy as he does in other footage we have of the same song... but I wasn't there, do not claim to be a mind reader, did not know Eddie Kendricks personally nor his frame of mind and any other disclaimer anybody cares to see. That was simply *MY IMPRESSION* (can we tell K2 has been dragged thru the wringer on this subject before? )
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